From the Pirate Party, Czech Republic:
From the Pirate Party, Czech Republic:
On Facebook James Ford posted a link to an article Thoughts on Not Thinking about Non-thinking. I have a few comments on it and somewhat related issues.
This is a good explanation of the not versus non-thinking aspect of meditation. Non-directed thinking does not mean you go brain dead. As the author writes:
Last year, for the first time, I heard a different interpretation. It goes like this: “Non-thinking” is not superior to either thinking or not thinking. Instead, they are all necessary, all simultaneously-functioning aspects of mind in zazen. So zazen includes (misdirected) direction of thought. It includes the decision to try not to pursue that directed thought. And it includes a state of mind that isn’t concerned about whether or not to think in the first place. All are present; none are completely inside of our control, or beyond it. Right or wrong, this version is very kind, very sympathetic to the actual experience of zazen.
That is about the phenomena of thinking while doing zazen. I like this interpretation. It avoids a lot of complications that arise from people thinking “I must not be doing this right” which leads to frustration, self- or other-blame and ultimately quitting practice.
Sometimes I have encountered people who use “non-thinking” or Dogen’s “dropping body and mind” as a bludgeon for anti-intellectualism and laziness generally, not just during zazen. “You think too much.” is the refrain there. These “purists” assume that to have any thought at all at any time is a mistake. Such folks are, ironically, very good at hurling tons of decontextualized quotes they’ve memorized when they are reading blog posts on the internet and somehow, without thinking, deciding to make commentary based on (non-?) comprehension of whatever point is being made. It is quite miraculous how that happens. But really this is simply suppression of consciousness or denial of thinking not undirected thinking.
There is a time for directed thought, like when you’re driving a car or teaching a class or writing an essay or arguing on the internet or cooking a meal–you have to think and analyze and judge “What’s next?” “What do I need to avoid here?” “What is my time frame?” etc. One has to notice specific things when one is doing a specific task especially if it has a specific goal.
When an activity is “goal-less” such as shikantaza there is freedom to “undirect” thoughts, that is to unbind attention from those directed thoughts (“What time is my dentist appointment?” “Will I have to go to the grocery store before dinner?” “Do these jeans make me look fat?” “Is my child being bullied at school?” “Should I quit my job?” “Will my thesis be accepted?” “What should I do with my life?” etc.) and just be fully aware.
Some equate this state of open awareness to being stoned. It’s not the same AT ALL. I have experienced both phenomenon—extensively–so it’s not just guesswork. Being stoned closes off or distorts external awareness and subsequent perceptions and directs it towards interior mental phenomenon or mental and particularly emotional reactions to external stimuli. Awareness, stimuli and perceptions are filtered through the soup of chemical cascades induced in the brain, the rest of the neurological system as a whole, as well as with chemicals from other systems such as the endocrine system which is:
One’s body becomes very busy dealing with all that when one takes drugs. The body becomes weird and often uncanny (in the Freudian way-“The Uncanny” PDF full text) and one’s experience of it (startle reactions, somnolence, paranoia, body hallucination, hyper-vigilance and other psycho-physical reactions) becomes overwhelming to sense perceptions. The psychological and intellectual mechanisms we ordinarily use to make sense of sense perception then tend to go into an over productive mode. This perceptual distortion may be pleasant or even quite thrilling, but it is merely experience, and not often a very clear perception of experience. After the experience one might have memory of it and attribute all sorts of things to it, as history has shown with ergotamine in the middle ages, the ingestion of which caused witchcraft panics, or Huxley’s doors of perception, etc. We interpret these experiences based on our personalities, learning, culture, fantasies, psychological make up, environment and inclinations. Same as any other experience. All perceptual experience is conditioned.
If one believes that such means has spiritual or even shamanic efficacy then that is the interpretation that will follow. Something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. That’s why I don’t believe that entheogens are the best way to go if clarity of awareness is your goal. It adds an extra layer that has to be interpreted.
There are some teachers who advise against drug taking, but have not had such experiences so their advice sounds a lot like moralizing or at least a little bit self-righteous in the moral-purity department. There are some who also start invoking precepts etc. Also moralizing. I disagree with moralizing on just about anything. Moralizing is oppressive and more about control of others than anything else. (Ethics is a different story. Moralizing is about purity. Ethics is about justice. That distinction is a whole post in itself though so I won’t elucidate further.) If you want to see what happens when you take drugs, do some and find out. But know what you are getting into. It can be very deceptive. There may be unanticipated consequences. You may not want to go that far because of legal or other issues like the impurity of sources. In that case just watch yourself get drunk some time. Note the point when your reaction time slows, your speech is difficult, when you start crying about your old high school crush, when you spill your drink all over your shirt or when you vomit on the bathroom floor because you missed the toilet. Try to be clearly aware at that point. Try to understand the spiritual lesson from that. Different bodily reactions than some drugs sure (all drugs react differently), but it’s the same idea—your body and consciousness try to compensate and often overcompensate for the perceptual distortions.
Unbinding from directed thinking has value, but so does thinking, day dreaming, imagining, sleeping, creating, enjoying and every other state of mind. Some are of more value than others at different times depending on what you are doing. It is a question of the appropriate state of mind for the activity in question.
An interesting benefit to this I notice is that when you become aware of the process of “undirecting” and practice it on a regular basis (not necessarily in formal meditation, but that is the best way to access this ability initially IMO) your ability to direct thought and avoid mis-direction in other circumstances gets a lot sharper.
At least that has been my experience.
The Washington Post had a story a few days back Is meditation a religion? One of the commenters wrote this.
sadagpawd @7/17/2011 8:49:48 AM PDT
I was with a Zen meditation center for a few years and they “required” once a month weekend meditation sessions for 14 hours per day and then two times a year meditation sessions for 10 days straight. (Meditation periods were broken up into 1/2 hour sittings, then walking meditation with work practice meditation thrown in.) The thought was that more meditation is better. However, over time I began to see that — just like exercise or eating too many carrots that will turn your skin orange — so too meditation may have deleterious effects and might not be as effective as thought. Scientific research these days asks questions such as “Why is meditation healthy?” but never wonders if there may be negative affects. It’s currently a cultural bias. Interestingly, some scientific journals have found changes in the brain due to meditation, but have been reluctant to draw conclusions. One study found that chronic meditators have more gray matter in the brain. (Which may mean nothing — it may also mean that they have less white matter — the necessary parts of the brain that connect neurons together.) Another study found that when meditating, the dorso-lateral-pre-frontal-cortex part of the brain changes, which is the place where we hold our sense of time. The other time that our dorso-lateral-pre-frontal-cortex changes and our sense of time alters is when we are using large doses of alcohol or drugs. From what I have seen of long-term meditators, because they’ve stimulated the right part of their brains to such a large extent without developing the left as well, their motivation is low, they aren’t capable of holding jobs, their thinking processes are lower — all the things that are similar to long-term drug users. So, in terms of healthy meditation practices, these things might also be something to consider.
A bunch of conjecture and long neurologically related words. Citations please.
And speculative false conclusions such as:
“it may also mean that they have less white matter — the necessary parts of the brain that connect neurons together” Does the study in question actually conclude that? Has that been measured?
“Another study found that when meditating, the dorso-lateral-pre-frontal-cortex part of the brain changes, which is the place where we hold our sense of time. The other time that our dorso-lateral-pre-frontal-cortex changes and our sense of time alters is when we are using large doses of alcohol or drugs.” This is a false correlation. How is that brain area changed in each of these circumstances? It’s like saying “My route to work and the time it takes me to get there has changed.” In case one it’s because a new bridge was built. In case two it’s because an old bridge collapsed. Are they equivalent? I don’t think so.
“From what I have seen of long-term meditators, because they’ve stimulated the right part of their brains to such a large extent without developing the left as well, their motivation is low, they aren’t capable of holding jobs, their thinking processes are lower — all the things that are similar to long-term drug users.” There is no source cited for the “right brain” speculation other than random observation. The right brain is typically associated with creativity. The left brain typically with logic and language. These are not cut and dried divisions however since the corpus callosum, which joins the brain hemispheres plays a major role. Seems to me, anecdotally and by a random observation of my book shelves, that long time Zen meditators throughout history are some of the most prolific poets around. So perhaps the dude should take a look at Lateralization of brain function to get a better grip.
Please ask your politicians not to cut funding for science education.
Doing a thing just for the doing of it
Doing it one way or another
What’s the difference?
Other than preference
The wind and the fan
The wind and the oar
The old Latins had a saying:
“If the wind will not serve, take to the oars”
What is the difference between wind and water?
Between the bird and the fish?
What is the difference between an oar and a fan?
What are their reasons?
What are their uses?
At the end of Genjokoan Dogen says:
Zen master Baoche of Mt. Mayu was fanning himself. A monk approached and said, “Master, the nature of wind is permanent and there is no place it does not reach. When, then, do you fan yourself?”
“Although you understand that the nature of the wind is permanent,” Baoche replied, “you do not understand the meaning of its reaching everywhere.”
“What is the meaning of its reaching everywhere?” asked the monk again. The master just kept fanning himself. The monk bowed deeply.
The actualization of the buddha-dharma, the vital path of its correct transmission, is like this. If you say that you do not need to fan yourself because the nature of wind is permanent and you can have wind without fanning, you will understand neither permanence nor the nature of wind. The nature of wind is permanent; because of that, the wind of the buddha’s house brings for the gold of the earth and makes fragrant the cream of the long river.
Dharma Talk Worth Listening To
Empty Bowl Sangha teacher-Joko Dave Haselwood, student of Suzuki Roshi “Why We Practice” talk on Sept. 30, 2010 -“to align ourselves with reality” http://emptybowlsangha.org/cms/dharma-talks [he’s also not a big fan of self-help books or Big Mind and other purported “shortcuts” ]
Since I mentioned mindfulness in the last post here’s a few lessons on that for the weekend.
Iron a Shirt
Shine a Shoe
Write a Word or Two
Make a Drawing
It’s birth, life and death.
I bring something to life and then it’s life is over…
The gift is being received. I love the kiss of the ocean.
There’s no sadness to it. It’s all joy. –Peter Donnelly