I care a whole lot more about the students than about the teachers.


7 comments on “LET ME PUT IT ANOTHER WAY

  1. Well put. I think it was Stuart Lachs who said somewhere that a much more appropriate phrase
    to use when describing the relationship between a “teacher/student” is “spiritual friends”. I like that becuase it is realistic about how both people are learning from each other. It also signifies
    a friendship rather than a sterile classroom like teach and be taught relationship.
    Stuart has a recent interview, 8-26-2010, put online at ….


    It is definitely worth the read.

  2. Hi All,

    There was an interesting comment made here (in Ireland) on a radio panel discussion on the subject of child protection (which, in light of the recent revelations about the extent of Irish church institutionalised degradation and abuse, is still a very hot topic as you can imagine).

    An advocate for children on the panel said very directly and openly that the reason children are still vulnerable in our society despite all the revelations is that WE DON’T REALLY CARE. This really took the rest of the panel aback… they were quite upset, each had their own way of defending and expressing how ‘they care’ emotionally, and of explaining what they were doing to prove it, and how ‘the person on the street’ did care and all that.

    The advocate’s broadside tactic was a very valid one, i think, because it pointed to the gulf between what we like to think and feel is right, what we know and believe about ourselves, and what we actually have done or are doing about it to make it real, to realise it.

    The advocate went on to explain that, if we really cared, then child protection measures would be in place and, given Ireland’s history, we would be the best in the world in terms of child protection… in a sense, the fact that we may ‘care’ outside of such tangible responses is really immaterial and may just be a means of feeling better in ourselves and about the situation. I think there is something in this.

    As it stands we are currently putting off a debate and referendum that will amend our constitution so that it will be more child centred and offer protection to children based more on their status as individual citizens (and not as the property of some thing called ‘the Family’… yes, in our constitution ‘family’ is spelled with a capital ‘F’!) We have other things to be worrying about you see. Child protection costs money you see, and we have this failed gambler bank to prop up with billions of tax payers money, about $47 billion or there abouts it’s said.

    That’s exactly how much we really care, if we are to quantify it.



    • Thank you Harry.
      You’ve hit the point on the head. There is a lot of noise made about caring but it is incredibly incongruous when compared to action. It’s also one of the arguments made against those who apparently don’t have a direct stake in the situation but speak out about it anyways.

      Somehow if I or others don’t “belong” to Shimano as a student or to ZSS then any viewpoint is deemed invalid. It is as if only that ideology of ownership provides a foundation for a valid opinion. What kind of society is that if we are not “permitted” to give a damn about our neighbor due to some notion of property rights?

  3. “We don’t really care”.

    Oh yes, I agree completely. Domestic violence, sexual abuse…as long as it’s not being done to the the class, gender, educational level and age of the people in power, we don’t care.

    Occasionally something happens and the people we don’t care about get a chance to grab some justice as a by-product of the very vocal injustices experienced by the power group.

    Unfortunately for the Catholic Church, the abused boys grew up to be men, suddenly worthy of attention. Lawsuits, newspaper articles, political attacks, all about the white male victims, who are certainly a minority of the targets of abuse.

    We do not care. It is dangerous and disempowering to care, because it puts us on the wrong side of power equation.

    Some years ago, Singapore decided to – I’m tempted to say “crack down” but I suppose the correct word is “mention” the incidence of domestic violence in the country. And the head of the Police Department said something like, “Now, we all beat our wives from time to time, but it’s really got to stop.”

    Just like that. No shame. Common knowledge. Not hidden. Oh boy.

    We don’t care. Look at Iraq.

    • The question of privilege goes hand in hand with the question of property. In many countries still women cannot hold property in her own name, nor initiate a divorce, nor file a lawsuit. And even where this is possible in many circumstances due to the differential not only in power but in property ownership and in values of assets, those who are in less powerful positions often do not have the means to carry out redressive action.

      Your story about Singapore is similar to something I heard personally here in India. I told my landlord that I couldn’t stay in that place any more because the man who lived below had the habit of getting drunk about once a week and beating the hell out of his wife and his dog. My landlord, a retired colonel in the Indian army said” Well it’s his wife and his dog.” The colonel’s wife just sat beside him meekly and nodded her head and then poured him more tea. I moved.

      That’s not to say Asia is more “shameless” than the Occident. If one checks out facebook groups for example one will find “How do you know when its time to punch your girlfriend in the face” followed by a lot of suggestions, mostly made by college aged males. Or “Like if you want to push your wife off a cliff today” or something similar with a few hundred people pressing the like button-though some pressed it in order to comment and express their disgust. Sure these groups get taken down when they’re found but not only are they shameless they are often greeted with enthusiasm.

      As Harry pointed out as well if one really cared the action would be taken. In my view anything less is just bullshit.

    • If teachers have some other agenda then perhaps they should not be teachers.

      And how would students know unless teachers speak out a little more, as you have done here and on the last post, in that regard?

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )


Connecting to %s