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	<title>Comments on: A Dialogue with Cruelty</title>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! You&#039;re right, too, about cruelty&#039;s many guises, and how because it&#039;s socially supported in so many ways, trying to break down the various forms it manifests within us - you, me, anyone - is really a lot of work. A lifetimes work. More than that probably. Not that I&#039;m a fatalist. I guess I&#039;d rather have some work to do, because it keeps things interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! You&#8217;re right, too, about cruelty&#8217;s many guises, and how because it&#8217;s socially supported in so many ways, trying to break down the various forms it manifests within us &#8211; you, me, anyone &#8211; is really a lot of work. A lifetimes work. More than that probably. Not that I&#8217;m a fatalist. I guess I&#8217;d rather have some work to do, because it keeps things interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Briggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I deeply appreciate this thoughtful post, NellaLou. As I read it, I noticed that I was framing my own thoughts in terms of the Three Poisons - desire, anger, and ignorance.

Desire (to get what we want) and anger (to avoid what we don&#039;t want) are familiar to us. But ignorance is perhaps less familiar, because we don&#039;t see it correctly. In Buddha&#039;s teaching, ignorance is our attachment to certainty - or certainties. These are our fixed beliefs, views, opinions, constructs, and other states that constrain our ability to flex and flow with changing circumstance.

And so perhaps our cruelties and sadistic actions arise directly from these certainties.

Because certainty can never respond to this marvelous world of change in which we live. 

It&#039;s like a boulder dropped into a stream. It only obstructs and hampers the smooth flow of water.

Well, I&#039;m being poetic and I clearly haven&#039;t looked into this matter of cruelty as deeply as you. Again, I do appreciate the care and concern behind your examination. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deeply appreciate this thoughtful post, NellaLou. As I read it, I noticed that I was framing my own thoughts in terms of the Three Poisons &#8211; desire, anger, and ignorance.</p>
<p>Desire (to get what we want) and anger (to avoid what we don&#8217;t want) are familiar to us. But ignorance is perhaps less familiar, because we don&#8217;t see it correctly. In Buddha&#8217;s teaching, ignorance is our attachment to certainty &#8211; or certainties. These are our fixed beliefs, views, opinions, constructs, and other states that constrain our ability to flex and flow with changing circumstance.</p>
<p>And so perhaps our cruelties and sadistic actions arise directly from these certainties.</p>
<p>Because certainty can never respond to this marvelous world of change in which we live. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like a boulder dropped into a stream. It only obstructs and hampers the smooth flow of water.</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m being poetic and I clearly haven&#8217;t looked into this matter of cruelty as deeply as you. Again, I do appreciate the care and concern behind your examination. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Dharmakara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dharmakara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, when one no longer views oneself as a &quot;victim&quot; but a &quot;survivor&quot; then the healing process begins, then it is no longer &quot;personal&quot;, but inter-connected/inter-personal.

Even in cases where one is dealing with survivors of sexual abuse this holds true, where the first step is to embrace one&#039;s suffering and transform it into compassion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, when one no longer views oneself as a &#8220;victim&#8221; but a &#8220;survivor&#8221; then the healing process begins, then it is no longer &#8220;personal&#8221;, but inter-connected/inter-personal.</p>
<p>Even in cases where one is dealing with survivors of sexual abuse this holds true, where the first step is to embrace one&#8217;s suffering and transform it into compassion.</p>
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		<title>By: NellaLou</title>
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		<dc:creator>NellaLou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It leaves the immediate circumstance of the situation that engendered it and feeds on the pain within the avenger. It ceases to be about the original &quot;perpetrator&quot;, who then becomes symbolic.Just as the victim who feels the desire for revenge may have been symbolic or objectivized by the offender. 

I have been involved with a lot of folks who work with restorative justice programs and one of the purposes is to re-humanize both victim to the offender and offender to the victim. Then healing can take place. It is a delicate process. But that&#039;s where this idea originated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It leaves the immediate circumstance of the situation that engendered it and feeds on the pain within the avenger. It ceases to be about the original &#8220;perpetrator&#8221;, who then becomes symbolic.Just as the victim who feels the desire for revenge may have been symbolic or objectivized by the offender. </p>
<p>I have been involved with a lot of folks who work with restorative justice programs and one of the purposes is to re-humanize both victim to the offender and offender to the victim. Then healing can take place. It is a delicate process. But that&#8217;s where this idea originated.</p>
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		<title>By: Dharmakara</title>
		<link>http://enlightenmentward.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/a-dialogue-with-cruelty/comment-page-1/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Dharmakara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food for thought and reflection... if revenge falls under the rubric of cruelty, how can cruelty not be personal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food for thought and reflection&#8230; if revenge falls under the rubric of cruelty, how can cruelty not be personal?</p>
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		<title>By: Yuinen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuinen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post</p>
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		<title>By: NellaLou</title>
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		<dc:creator>NellaLou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jordan. I would recommend everyone to go and read Jordan&#039;s response to this post on his blog Here:
http://asuradharma.blogspot.com/2009/06/good-reading-from-nellalou.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jordan. I would recommend everyone to go and read Jordan&#8217;s response to this post on his blog Here:<br />
<a href="http://asuradharma.blogspot.com/2009/06/good-reading-from-nellalou.html" rel="nofollow">http://asuradharma.blogspot.com/2009/06/good-reading-from-nellalou.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://enlightenmentward.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/a-dialogue-with-cruelty/comment-page-1/#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, can I repost this on my blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, can I repost this on my blog?</p>
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